low sec pirate angry?

Nothing screams pro pvp like shooting a cyno alt. /sarcasm

gates are catapaulting themselves across galaxies, ships with varying masses and the like. A cyno jump drive is precise. Also, cannot be right on station with a cyno, need to be 5km away or enjoy playing pinball

I think you answered your own question.

describing current cyno mechanics
make your case without resorting to "EVE is too easy."

It makes logistics so easy a caveman can do it.
It removes all risk from moving assets from Jita -> nullsec hub of choice.
It makes it easier for alliances to import from hisec than setup their own proper industrial backbone.
It encourages players in alliances to import from hisec rather than rely or contribute to the alliance backbone.

That would be fine with me too... I own a handfull of JFs. I could see how others who have JFs might feel a little more burned by this but I for one would be just fine with this as a solution since it would fix a big problem in the game. Not sure I agree with bubble immunity. Better +6 to warp core.

If you change the jump mechanic so that ships are pushed into danger or far outside docking range, the new standard for small/solo groups will just be to jump right before Downtime. A couple jump freighters die every day, why would you want it to be a common occurence to get a shot at a 6 bil isk hull that is a loot pinata. The logistics part of EVE is definatelly the least "fun", and i'm glad the current jump mechanics make the trips go quick.

Yes, please take away cyno freighter and give it warp stabs instead. (protip - you don't need a point to 'tackle' a freighter)


I agree that cyno hauling has damaged eve, but that proposal simply consigns t2 freighters to the bin. (this may be a good thing)

I think the main point of this is that right now you cannot really interfere with an enemies cyno logistics chain since they can use any low sec station that is not a kickout. This way people will be forced to risk it and light a cyno in a safespot or light cynos on POSs and those are attack-able.

Good luck getting CCP to realize this.

If cyno's were to be changed as suggested in this thread, most would adapt fairly easy. I for one would make op not only light my a cyno with his alt, but also force him to bring his main and web me out.

But its true, jump drives and titan bridges has made logistics and moving caps a minor inconvenience.

Wouldn't change much tbh. People would just use carriers, rorquals and titan bridges instead.

Sure, let's make it even harder for small corps to live in nullSec.

0/10 for the troll

won't work. so simple and regular task as travelling doesn't need to be 'interesting'. It needs to be fast and easy. Elsewere why travel at all?

have you ever seen killboard? There is plenty of JFs dead without any titans around

Are we talking jump freighters or cynos.

Jump freighters where and are badly needed.
At one time Dread and carriers performed the role the the mass movers and where later on nerfed.
Which left the small alliances in a serious bind while the large titan alliances simply shifted to more titan bridges.

As far as cyno's
Keep in mind you can warp directly to any cyno no matter where it is in system.

Well first off if you move cyno's to 15 km off anything then everyone will switch to POS's as there drop off point.

So you are going to go from.
Forcing someone to dock and undock opportunity to a lets take on a POS.

That would mean less opportunity to kill a capital rather then more.

IF the mechanic of docking is perceived to be to much then wouldn't it be better to create a docking timer when you jump via a cyno ?

As you have failed to explain the actual problem it is rather hard to find a fix.

Yes we are only talking about 3 ship classes.

Carrier / Dread - which as you say can't jump through gates but does have weapons, and can defend itself if need be.
Price range 1-2 Bill
Jump Freighter - No weapons, no hardening, but it can jump through a gate. (if you could put a scram on a newbie ship it could stop a jump freighter indefinitely) and there is nothing the jump freighter could do except log ( and pray with the new timer rule). price 7-8 Bill

By all your comments you have a problem with station docking and NOT cyno's
You want to create a opportunity to kill a 7 bill isk capital ship (empty) with 5 cruisers.

THen simply put a timer on how long a ship must wait to dock after jumping through a cyno.
So how much time do you need ?
1 minute, 5 minutes, 10 minutes ?
I am being serious.

How about the ship can't dock as long as the cyno is up and on grid.
Hmmm how about nobody can dock or undock while a cyno is up on a station grid.
Dangerous conditions and all that.
Then you could lock people out of stations or lock them in.
I actually like that idea, it would kill lots of issues.
But CCP would have to make the cyno collapse when the cyno ship is destroyed.

That would fix everything and add in a new twist.

I honestly wouldn't mind Jimbo001's Titan jumping in on your sorry ass.

The issue is the station structure itself since it is essentially a bubble of influence, not sure the mechanics. I myself wouldn't mind reduced docking bubbles, or docking zones, still needs to ensure proper collision mechanics however.

You seem to be under the assumption that everything in Eve has to have some huge standard of risk, which is not strictly speaking, true. There is risk in everything, but not necessarily high risk. Risk can be mitigated by a number of factors, including Alts.
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Why is your demand the more compelling?

Just remove the warp to function, and add a limit to cyno range around stations (like dropping giant secure containers). If the scouts do their job and the Cyno ships check Dscan, the cyno'd ship is still pretty safe, just not perfectly safe as they are now. That is more in the spirit of EVE imo.

Which question was that?
It looks to me that you made a statement.
"I'm bad at pirating, and I want to chnage game mechanics to make it easier...."

Some PvP is about tears, not chestbeating, isk, killboards or other irrelevant drivel. I farmed cyno frigs in a lowsec area for some time, not to pad killboards (it doesn't affect your efficiency anyhow, based on isk as it usually is), it doesn't make me look good (in fact, I've gotten alot of insults, similar to yours). But it also got some of them so annoyed they cyno'd in other systems, allowing me to get a few JF/capital kills. But I wouldn't expect a blobing killboard-masturbating elite PvPer to understand such things. And of course, the tears, they are delicious, the amount of hatemails you get from certain people, claiming they will violate your mother and sister, just because you kill his cyno frigs repeatedly.. is priceless.

It actually takes an enormous amount of time, planning, and isk to move items to/from nullsec. Just cuz lowsec and empire noobs see a high priced capital ship and want to kill it, doesn't mean they should be able to.

It's actually already extremely easy to kill a carrier or jump freighter off a station dock. Really is unfortunate that people who don't fly cap ships don't truly understand how to kill them. Look at orphanage or privateers killboards and see how many jump freighters they kill. They make a living off killing JF's.

If you really wanna kill high cost ships in your own realm go wardec an incursion runner or something. Gank them with 3 or so T1 fitted blackbirds even xP. Or better yet leave empire and do some real pvp.

FYI only a nutter would cyno directly onto a POS bubble takes to long to slow boat in you cyno 150+ off the POS so you still in range of defences but able to warp directly to the tower.